今天接受 DW 中文 - 德國之聲 電視台的採訪,聊聊我們在奧運期間與小粉紅的互動經驗,以及台灣在國際賽事上如何長期被中國打壓。
英文還是講得有點結巴,因為我們事先準備的回答都沒有用到。
Q:可否形容一下在網路上與中國網民的交流?
After our posts, they would usually come and write really disgusting racial slurs towards Japanese and Taiwanese.
Then we will start our reply with asking how their days were. If they are feeling alright. Or they had a bad day at work.
Usually they will stop there.
However, there are some people who sent us private messages saying “hey we speak the same language and have the same ancestors, why are you supporting the Japanese.” I often rolled my eyes and then tried to ask them to have a real conversation either via zoom or clubhouse. Most of the times they refuse because they say they don’t want to make their people look bad. But I would think to myself that what they are doing online already make their people look bad.
We only succeeded once inviting a pinkie to our live show. He turned out to be a super chill and nice dude. He just has a lot of frustration towards his own government, but he can’t really say anything within the firewall. Thus he came outside to see what the world is like. It turned out a lot of people are mad at the Chinese government, especially the Taiwanese people. I think this totally contradicted with his belief, so he lashed out at us.
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is chinese and taiwanese the same language 在 Mordeth13 Facebook 的最佳解答
Jenna Cody :
Is Taiwan a real China?
No, and with the exception of a few intervening decades - here’s the part that’ll surprise you - it never has been.
This’ll blow your mind too: that it never has been doesn’t matter.
So let’s start with what doesn’t actually matter.
Until the 1600s, Taiwan was indigenous. Indigenous Taiwanese are not Chinese, they’re Austronesian. Then it was a Dutch colony (note: I do not say “it was Dutch”, I say it was a Dutch colony). Then it was taken over by Ming loyalists at the end of the Ming dynasty (the Ming loyalists were breakaways, not a part of the new Qing court. Any overlap in Ming rule and Ming loyalist conquest of Taiwan was so brief as to be inconsequential).
Only then, in the late 1600s, was it taken over by the Chinese (Qing). But here’s the thing, it was more like a colony of the Qing, treated as - to use Emma Teng’s wording in Taiwan’s Imagined Geography - a barrier or barricade keeping the ‘real’ Qing China safe. In fact, the Qing didn’t even want Taiwan at first, the emperor called it “a ball of mud beyond the pale of civilization”. Prior to that, and to a great extent at that time, there was no concept on the part of China that Taiwan was Chinese, even though Chinese immigrants began moving to Taiwan under Dutch colonial rule (mostly encouraged by the Dutch, to work as laborers). When the Spanish landed in the north of Taiwan, it was the Dutch, not the Chinese, who kicked them out.
Under Qing colonial rule - and yes, I am choosing my words carefully - China only controlled the Western half of Taiwan. They didn’t even have maps for the eastern half. That’s how uninterested in it they were. I can’t say that the Qing controlled “Taiwan”, they only had power over part of it.
Note that the Qing were Manchu, which at the time of their conquest had not been a part of China: China itself essentially became a Manchu imperial holding, and Taiwan did as well, once they were convinced it was not a “ball of mud” but actually worth taking. Taiwan was not treated the same way as the rest of “Qing China”, and was not administered as a province until (I believe) 1887. So that’s around 200 years of Taiwan being a colony of the Qing.
What happened in the late 19th century to change China’s mind? Japan. A Japanese ship was shipwrecked in eastern Taiwan in the 1870s, and the crew was killed by hostile indigenous people in what is known as the Mudan Incident. A Japanese emissary mission went to China to inquire about what could be done, only to be told that China had no control there and if they went to eastern Taiwan, they did so at their own peril. China had not intended to imply that Taiwan wasn’t theirs, but they did. Japan - and other foreign powers, as France also attempted an invasion - were showing an interest in Taiwan, so China decided to cement its claim, started mapping the entire island, and made it a province.
So, I suppose for a decade or so Taiwan was a part of China. A China that no longer exists.
It remained a province until 1895, when it was ceded to Japan after the (first) Sino-Japanese War. Before that could happen, Taiwan declared itself a Republic, although it was essentially a Qing puppet state (though the history here is interesting - correspondence at the time indicates that the leaders of this ‘Republic of Taiwan’ considered themselves Chinese, and the tiger flag hints at this as well. However, the constitution was a very republican document, not something you’d expect to see in Qing-era China.) That lasted for less than a year, when the Japanese took it by force.
This is important for two reasons - the first is that some interpretations of IR theory state that when a colonial holding is released, it should revert to the state it was in before it was taken as a colony. In this case, that would actually be The Republic of Taiwan, not Qing-era China. Secondly, it puts to rest all notions that there was no Taiwan autonomy movement prior to 1947.
In any case, it would be impossible to revert to its previous state, as the government that controlled it - the Qing empire - no longer exists. The current government of China - the PRC - has never controlled it.
After the Japanese colonial era, there is a whole web of treaties and agreements that do not satisfactorily settle the status of Taiwan. None of them actually do so - those which explicitly state that Taiwan is to be given to the Republic of China (such as the Cairo declaration) are non-binding. Those that are binding do not settle the status of Taiwan (neither the treaty of San Francisco nor the Treaty of Taipei definitively say that Taiwan is a part of China, or even which China it is - the Treaty of Taipei sets out what nationality the Taiwanese are to be considered, but that doesn’t determine territorial claims). Treaty-wise, the status of Taiwan is “undetermined”.
Under more modern interpretations, what a state needs to be a state is…lessee…a contiguous territory, a government, a military, a currency…maybe I’m forgetting something, but Taiwan has all of it. For all intents and purposes it is independent already.
In fact, in the time when all of these agreements were made, the Allied powers weren’t as sure as you might have learned about what to do with Taiwan. They weren’t a big fan of Chiang Kai-shek, didn’t want it to go Communist, and discussed an Allied trusteeship (which would have led to independence) or backing local autonomy movements (which did exist). That it became what it did - “the ROC” but not China - was an accident (as Hsiao-ting Lin lays out in Accidental State).
In fact, the KMT knew this, and at the time the foreign minister (George Yeh) stated something to the effect that they were aware they were ‘squatters’ in Taiwan.
Since then, it’s true that the ROC claims to be the rightful government of Taiwan, however, that hardly matters when considering the future of Taiwan simply because they have no choice. To divest themselves of all such claims (and, presumably, change their name) would be considered by the PRC to be a declaration of formal independence. So that they have not done so is not a sign that they wish to retain the claim, merely that they wish to avoid a war.
It’s also true that most Taiwanese are ethnically “Han” (alongside indigenous and Hakka, although Hakka are, according to many, technically Han…but I don’t think that’s relevant here). But biology is not destiny: what ethnicity someone is shouldn’t determine what government they must be ruled by.
Through all of this, the Taiwanese have evolved their own culture, identity and sense of history. They are diverse in a way unique to Taiwan, having been a part of Austronesian and later Hoklo trade routes through Southeast Asia for millenia. Now, one in five (I’ve heard one in four, actually) Taiwanese children has a foreign parent. The Taiwanese language (which is not Mandarin - that’s a KMT transplant language forced on Taiwanese) is gaining popularity as people discover their history. Visiting Taiwan and China, it is clear where the cultural differences are, not least in terms of civic engagement. This morning, a group of legislators were removed after a weekend-long pro-labor hunger strike in front of the presidential palace. They were not arrested and will not be. Right now, a group of pro-labor protesters is lying down on the tracks at Taipei Main Station to protest the new labor law amendments.
This would never be allowed in China, but Taiwanese take it as a fiercely-guarded basic right.
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Now, as I said, none of this matters.
What matters is self-determination. If you believe in democracy, you believe that every state (and Taiwan does fit the definition of a state) that wants to be democratic - that already is democratic and wishes to remain that way - has the right to self-determination. In fact, every nation does. You cannot be pro-democracy and also believe that it is acceptable to deprive people of this right, especially if they already have it.
Taiwan is already a democracy. That means it has the right to determine its own future. Period.
Even under the ROC, Taiwan was not allowed to determine its future. The KMT just arrived from China and claimed it. The Taiwanese were never asked if they consented. What do we call it when a foreign government arrives in land they had not previously governed and declares itself the legitimate governing power of that land without the consent of the local people? We call that colonialism.
Under this definition, the ROC can also be said to be a colonial power in Taiwan. They forced Mandarin - previously not a language native to Taiwan - onto the people, taught Chinese history, geography and culture, and insisted that the Taiwanese learn they were Chinese - not Taiwanese (and certainly not Japanese). This was forced on them. It was not chosen. Some, for awhile, swallowed it. Many didn’t. The independence movement only grew, and truly blossomed after democratization - something the Taiwanese fought for and won, not something handed to them by the KMT.
So what matters is what the Taiwanese want, not what the ROC is forced to claim. I cannot stress this enough - if you do not believe Taiwan has the right to this, you do not believe in democracy.
And poll after poll shows it: Taiwanese identify more as Taiwanese than Chinese (those who identify as both primarily identify as Taiwanese, just as I identify as American and Armenian, but primarily as American. Armenian is merely my ethnicity). They overwhelmingly support not unifying with China. The vast majority who support the status quo support one that leads to eventual de jure independence, not unification. The status quo is not - and cannot be - an endgame (if only because China has declared so, but also because it is untenable). Less than 10% want unification. Only a small number (a very small minority) would countenance unification in the future…even if China were to democratize.
The issue isn’t the incompatibility of the systems - it’s that the Taiwanese fundamentally do not see themselves as Chinese.
A change in China’s system won’t change that. It’s not an ethnic nationalism - there is no ethnic argument for Taiwan (or any nation - didn’t we learn in the 20th century what ethnicity-based nation-building leads to? Nothing good). It’s not a jingoistic or xenophobic nationalism - Taiwanese know that to be dangerous. It’s a nationalism based on shared identity, culture, history and civics. The healthiest kind of nationalism there is. Taiwan exists because the Taiwanese identify with it. Period.
There are debates about how long the status quo should go on, and what we should risk to insist on formal recognition. However, the question of whether or not to be Taiwan, not China…
…well, that’s already settled.
The Taiwanese have spoken and they are not Chinese.
Whatever y’all think about that doesn’t matter. That’s what they want, and if you believe in self-determination you will respect it.
If you don’t, good luck with your authoritarian nonsense, but Taiwan wants nothing to do with it.
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【To all the people who were hurt before.】
I would say Taiwanese is the best language to express the sad song.
Very honored to shoot for Sasha Lee.
Been knowing each other thru some mutual friends for a while and THIS TIME finally got to shoot the first hit song for her latest album.
I was just abt to got off the plane and the director sent me this music video.
It was so sad to watch the whole story and listening to the song at the same time.
Brought back some memories...🌹
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Sasha Lee as a Chinese singer who sings in a total different language and won the 24th Golden melody award the best Taiwanese female vocalist.
She amazed me!!! Totally deserves the title!
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And it’s my honor to work with director ChihPo for the second time!
The firs time we shot for Eve Ai’s hit song “The sum of us” and she won the 28th Golden melody award the best mandarin female vocalist!!!
I just love the way he deals with the scene and let us create at the same time.
This is the so called the perfect cooperation. ❤️
Appreciated 🙏🏻
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給曾經受過傷害的人———
我認為台語絕對是最適合詮釋悲歌的語言,
非常榮幸這次能拍到李婭莎的MV,
彼此因為一些共同朋友知道對方,這次終於有幸能拍攝她最新專輯的第一波主打歌!
當時在準備下飛機的時候導演傳來MV的成品,
一邊看一邊聽真的讓我好難過,
這就是故事跟歌曲的力量,似乎跟我的經驗引起一些共鳴,
真不虧是第24屆最佳台語女歌手!
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這次也非常榮幸開心能跟志伯導演合作,
自從上次跟導演合作完艾怡良的「我們的總和」,
我就愛上導演對於畫面的美感以及處理,
而且導演也很給演員創作空間,
對我來說 這就是一次完美的合作。🌹
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Congrats to Sasha Lee’s latest album “Poison Candy”
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歌手 Singer| 李婭莎 Sasha Lee
導演 Director|王志伯 Wang Chihpo
演員 Cast| Kayamika 王 果 / 岱毅 Dai Yi, Kenny
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Cantonese class 101
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【影片目的】
鼓勵學習廣東話的朋友持續學廣東話, 讓更多朋友對廣東話感興趣!
我來自台灣, 但由於母親是香港人, 一直對香港有個特別的情感.
雖然是半個香港人, 但卻不會說廣東話的這件是讓我很不甘心!!
一直想學好說媽媽那邊的語言,廣東話, 但是因為在台灣生長沒有語言環境
回香港和香港朋友在一起的時候變成我學廣東話最重要的時候
在學廣東話的時候, 我真的感覺到廣東話好難, 包括聲調, 方言等等
相信很多在學廣東話的朋友都有相同的感覺
我做這個video 是要傳達, 廣東話不好學習, 重要的不是你講得好不好, 而是我們都有顆喜愛廣東話的心~
一起找到學廣東話最好的方法, 一起學廣東話, 一起加油!!
【Purpose of the video】
To encourage Cantonese learner to keep it up,
and make more people be interested in Cantonese!
I'm from Taiwan. I have some special feelings about Hong Kong
because my mother is from Hong Kong.
Though I am half from Hong Kong, I can't really speak Cantonese.
I always want to mater my mother's language, Cantonese. It has been difficult
because I didn't have the language environment when I was younger.
Then, the time I'm with my Hong Kong friends becomes the important time to learn Cantonese.
While learning Cantonee, I find it is very difficult because of the tones, slangs etc.
and I believe that many Cantonese learners have the same feelings!
I make this video to pass the message that:
Cantonese is not easy to learn, and let's find out good ways to learn it. Speaking perfectly or not is not the thing we should care about. Never give up learning Cantonese since we all have love toward it.
Let's learn Cantonese together and make more Cantonese speaking friends!
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【Music】
The music used are:
Upbeat Ukulele Background Music - That Positive Feeling by Alumo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5F0Lq03spM
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Japanese pod 101
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step 2 按『分享』
step 3 分享後在fb影片的動態留言說出你聽過最特別語言的狀聲詞
例 :『日本 跳的聲音 Pyon Pyon』
我會從裡面選一個最特別的 傳私訊給他 然後寄照片到他家歐 :D
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來日本之後才發現原來不是全世界的貓都是喵喵叫
日本貓說日文, 是叫''娘~''
然後日文的救護車是叫 BeePoBeePo, 不是中文的歐伊歐伊
狀聲詞(擬聲詞)真的因為地區,語言的不同而改變!!
不同地方的人 用當地的語言思考,日本人聽到的是日文,台灣人聽到的是中文
使用的壯聲詞(擬聲詞)都不一樣~ 非常有趣!!
這次特別找了日本帥哥朋友一起做了一個日文跟中文的狀聲詞(擬聲詞)比較
一邊學狀聲詞(擬聲詞)也可以學中文日文哦!! 和Mao一起用語言交朋友 !
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日本に来てから全世界の猫はミャオミャオという鳴き声をしていないと分かった。
日本人の猫は日本語を話している、ニャン~と鳴く
そして、日本救急車はビーボービーボーとしていて、中国語のオーイーオーイーと違う
擬音語は本当に地域と言語によって変わりますね!
違う地域の人は当地の言語で考える。日本人は日本語で聞くが、台湾人は台湾の中国語で聞く。そして、擬音語も変わる。めっちゃ面白い!!
今回は日本人のいけめんアキと一緒に擬音語について台湾中国語と日本を比較する。
他の国の擬音語を学びながら、台湾中国語と日本語を学びましょう~
Maoと一緒に言語で友達を作ろうー!
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ShenLimTV
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Mumu MusicTV
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Sanyuan_JAPAN 三原慧悟
安啾咪
蔡阿嘎
rickolam1
魚乾
靠杯星球 fun planet
GINA HELLO!
TheKellyYang
JASON(大J)
笑波子
香格拉 Shangrilayt
Stopkiddinstudio
TGOP (This Group Of People)
這群人
... and more!
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Example: “Taiwan pig sound gogogo”
I will choose the most interesting one, send a personal message and then send the photo over! :D
After I went to Japan, I realized not all the cats on the earth say “meow”
Japanese cats speak Japanese, and they say “Niang”
And ambulance doesn't say O-Iii O-Iii like Chinese , it's Bee-bo! Bee-bo! in Japanese.
Onomatopoeia really changes depends on regions and languages!!
Japanese hear sound in Japanese, and Taiwanese hear in Chinese. They both use different onomatopoeia to describe the same sound, which is very interesting!!!
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